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[@ 16:58 < razvanc>| Hey guys! 16:58 < razvanc>| the first Public meeting this year is about to start :) 17:01 --- | bogdan_vs has changed the topic to: OpenSIPS monthly meeting in progress 17:01 < BernardB>| Hello :) 17:01 < saghul>| Ahoi! 17:02 <@ bogdan_vs>| Hi everyone ! 17:02 < razvanc>| hello there! 17:02 <@ bogdan_vs>| OK, let's try to keep < 1 hours, so let's get it started 17:02 < razvanc>| Today's meeting we'll be discussing about how to organize OpenSIPS resources 17:03 < razvanc>| you can find a short description about the topic here: http://www.opensips.org/Community/IRCmeeting20150128 17:03 <@ bogdan_vs>| shortly : right now we have only the web site 17:04 <@ bogdan_vs>| which is wiki based and probably few people know they can edit content there 17:04 < lirakis>| lol - yeah i had no idea it was a wiki 17:04 <@ bogdan_vs>| it is not too intuitive imho to have the entire site editable....people get scare 17:04 < lirakis>| sure 17:04 <@ bogdan_vs>| lirakis: exactly 17:04 < lirakis>| the modules docs are generated from whats in the git repo though ... correct? 17:05 < liviuc>| correct 17:05 <@ bogdan_vs>| and we intend to add more resources 17:05 < lirakis>| ok 17:05 <@ bogdan_vs>| like a blog 17:05 < BernardB>| I think an 'wiki' department would really give some added value 17:05 <@ bogdan_vs>| pastebin like maybe 17:05 < BernardB>| maybe to get some tutorials 17:05 <@ bogdan_vs>| true 17:05 < BernardB>| a forum? 17:06 <@ bogdan_vs>| maybe, before we had one on SF, but collided with the mailing lists 17:06 < lirakis>| i think a forum ... might be problematic 17:06 < saghul>| 90s called, they want their forums back :-) 17:06 < lirakis>| difficut to moderate 17:06 < BernardB>| haha, true, but a forum is a good alternative to 'slow chat' 17:07 < ccjaph>| I like the perlmonks site style, it's a little dated but provides a comunity forum 17:07 < lirakis>| lots of people saying "plz help me with my proxy. i want to make skype clone." 17:07 <@ bogdan_vs>| :) 17:07 < lirakis>| i mean i like forums ... but they can be tough to "keep clean" 17:07 < BernardB>| but what is currently the place to put your opensips problems? 17:08 < saghul>| how about the new kid in town? discourse 17:08 < BernardB>| I'm not always happy to post to the user-list 17:08 <@ bogdan_vs>| BernardB: the mailing list :) 17:08 < razvanc>| BernardB: why not? 17:08 <@ bogdan_vs>| why not ? 17:08 < lirakis>| i actually dont like the mailing lists ... 17:08 < BernardB>| I don't know really why 17:08 < saghul>| FYI: http://www.discourse.org/ 17:08 < lirakis>| if i subscribe to it ... i get tons of emails i dont want 17:09 < BernardB>| but mailing is like a doorstep 17:09 <@ bogdan_vs>| I cannot promise, but we do not have witches or bad wolfs there ;) 17:09 < razvanc>| lirakis: why not :)? What else would you use? 17:09 < BernardB>| lirakis: currenlty I don't see many mails 17:09 <@ bogdan_vs>| (in the mailing lists) 17:09 < lirakis> | razvanc, i do like forums better honestly, i find them easier to "consume" the information I want, and easier to contribute to 17:10 < BernardB>| discourse looks like a forum in 2.0 webstyle 17:10 < lirakis>| but i agree with bogdan ... having both mailing + forums is not good 17:10 < lirakis>| too much collision 17:10 < saghul>| lirakis: agreed! 17:10 < razvanc>| saghul: that looks like a forum to me :) 17:11 < saghul> | razvanc: it's forums-ng! not that I like it, just throwing out ideas :-) 17:11 < BernardB>| a wiki editable by users is a really good idea, but isn't handy for discussions 17:11 < lirakis>| yeah ... i think making some "section" of the site, a more defined "wiki" is a good idea 17:11 <@ bogdan_vs>| BernardB: here is the forum we had on SF site - https://sourceforge.net/p/opensips/discussion/839860/ 17:11 < lirakis>| so people can contribute tutorials etc. 17:11 <@ bogdan_vs>| not much of an activity .... 17:11 <@ bogdan_vs>| so the plan (in regards to the web site) is to split it 17:12 <@ bogdan_vs>| keep the core as non editable (for users).... 17:12 <@ bogdan_vs>| and add an wiki.opensips.org 17:12 < lirakis>| sounds like a good plan 17:12 <@ bogdan_vs>| for managing tutorials, contributions, etc 17:12 < BernardB>| bogdan_vs: I don't think everybody looks on SF 17:13 < lirakis>| i agree ... the forums on SF are not easy to find etc. 17:13 <@ bogdan_vs>| BernardB: that was an example of failed experiment with forums :) 17:13 < saghul>| SF is dead really 17:13 < lirakis>| any who 17:13 < lirakis>| yeah i agree .. SF is dead heh 17:13 <@ bogdan_vs>| in regards to wiki.opensips.org... 17:13 <@ bogdan_vs>| user will need access 17:13 <@ bogdan_vs>| also they will need for the blog 17:14 <@ bogdan_vs>| and for the github 17:14 <@ bogdan_vs>| etc.. 17:14 <@ bogdan_vs>| key question is - can we do a single login for all ? 17:14 < BernardB>| that should be the best 17:14 < lirakis>| OATH with github account? 17:14 < BernardB>| I guess github has an API for authorisation? 17:14 < BernardB>| lirakis: like that :) 17:15 < lirakis>| if we have to OATH with anything ... i think github makes the most sense 17:15 < lirakis>| please no google+ or facebook 17:15 < lirakis>| lol 17:15 <@ bogdan_vs>| lirakis: does GH supports OATH ? 17:15 < BernardB>| https://developer.github.com/v3/oauth/ 17:15 < liviuc>| yes, it does 17:15 <@ bogdan_vs>| as we can do a single login, and it will be more friendly for the users 17:15 <@ bogdan_vs>| no need to create endless accounts... 17:15 < saghul>| if we go with a standalone wiki, the one on GH should be disabled 17:16 < saghul>| it's empty now 17:16 <@ bogdan_vs>| true... 17:16 <@ bogdan_vs>| we were looking at mediawiki...if not wrong... 17:17 < razvanc>| we were thinking of either mediawiki or dokuwiki 17:17 <@ bogdan_vs>| as a popular and easy to use wiki engine 17:17 < razvanc>| any experience with them? 17:17 < lirakis>| ive used mediawiki before 17:17 < lirakis>| i mean its what wikipedia uses right ? so people are familiar with how it works 17:17 < saghul>| MarkDown seems to have won the markup languages war 17:17 < saghul>| maybe something that can be edited in MarkDown? 17:18 < lirakis>| i think that mediawiki can be ... 17:18 < lirakis>| i think thats its default ... i cant remember 17:18 < lirakis>| if not .. i thought that was "pluggable" 17:18 < OliverTynes>| if its done right, a wiki on github is very good, especially because its so easy to cross reference with the code (for more in-depth explanation of stuff) 17:18 < saghul>| lirakis: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MarkdownSyntax 17:18 < razvanc>| lirakis: yes, it seems pluggable 17:19 < saghul>| the plugin doesn't seem to be maintained though 17:20 <@ bogdan_vs>| OliverTynes: I prefer not to re-invent the wheel, but external resources are hard to be "visible" for the users 17:20 <@ bogdan_vs>| does mediawiki have a OAUTH plugin ? 17:20 < lirakis>| i dont think there is huge value in having the wiki ON github personally 17:21 < lirakis>| yes 17:21 < lirakis>| that apeears to be maintained as well 17:21 < lirakis>| http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OATHAuth 17:21 < razvanc>| saghul: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MarkdownExtraParser 17:21 < razvanc>| this seems to be maintained, although it is beta 17:22 < saghul>| aha 17:22 < lirakis>| well really the bottom line is that mediawiki is a familiar "look and feel" to people b/c of how popular wikipedia is 17:22 < lirakis>| IMO 17:23 < razvanc>| what do you say about dokuwiki? 17:23 < razvanc>| there's also a markdown pluging for it 17:24 < lirakis>| i actually dont know much about docuwiki 17:24 < lirakis>| i know that the search functionality on older mediawiki SUCKED lol 17:24 < lirakis>| im not sure if its better now 17:24 < saghul>| it's not only how familiar users are with the looks, but how easy it is for them to use it 17:24 < liviuc>| ^ 17:24 < saghul>| use it as in, edit it and add content 17:24 < razvanc>| let's see which one has a wysiwyg plugin 17:25 < razvanc>| I find that important for adding content 17:25 < lirakis>| i know mediawiki does 17:25 < BernardB>| mediawiki has some more plugins I guess 17:25 < lirakis>| i set up a mediawiki for my previous company - and people who were not technical had to be able to edit and contribute to it 17:25 < saghul>| ok, now, assuming good content goes in, there needs to be a "curator", so that it doesn't rot 17:26 < lirakis>| yeah a big problem with wiki's 17:26 <@ bogdan_vs>| any volunteers ? :D 17:26 <@ bogdan_vs>| (just joking) 17:27 < razvanc>| bogdan_vs: were you :)? 17:27 <@ bogdan_vs>| well, I gave it a try, you never know :) 17:27 <@ bogdan_vs>| so what we have so far: 17:28 <@ bogdan_vs>| 1) wiki.opensips.org pulled out from opensips.org to contain docs, tutorial, users stuff 17:28 < brettnem>| Hey all 17:28 <@ bogdan_vs>| 2) maybe using mediawiki 17:28 < lirakis>| sorry got an IM 17:28 < lirakis>| bogdan_vs, im happy to help out as much as i can with wiki maintenance 17:29 <@ bogdan_vs>| 3) using some unified login system 17:29 <@ bogdan_vs>| (for wiki, GH, blog, etc) 17:29 <@ bogdan_vs>| 4) install a blogging engine 17:29 <@ bogdan_vs>| lirakis: thanks, we can see when getting there 17:30 < lirakis>| so ... re:blog 17:30 <@ bogdan_vs>| we were chatting in the office and we find the idea of a blog useful 17:30 < lirakis>| would this supplant the "news" section 17:30 <@ bogdan_vs>| some place were ideas can be shared and discussed 17:31 <@ bogdan_vs>| different kind of ideas... can be about devel, about docs, about tests, etc 17:31 < lirakis>| ok 17:32 <@ bogdan_vs>| basically the blog may be a "catch all" for what is not a news, not a tutorial, etc 17:32 < lirakis>| gotcha 17:32 <@ bogdan_vs>| if doesn't fit anywhere -> it goes to the blog 17:32 <@ bogdan_vs>| :) 17:33 <@ bogdan_vs>| the question is : what other resources are missing ? 17:33 <@ bogdan_vs>| I suppose the forum concept is dropped 17:33 < lirakis>| i mean i think webpage + wiki + blog + github is a pretty good set 17:33 < lirakis>| yeah i think forums would ... split the efforts too much 17:34 < lirakis>| wiki is a better place to focus 17:35 <@ bogdan_vs>| indeed, there is not a huge volume of discussions, so ideally we should keep them focused 17:37 < brettnem>| Splitting discussions between a mailing list and forum I think is too confusing 17:37 < lirakis>| yes 17:38 < brettnem>| GH also has a lot of these resources built in 17:38 < lirakis>| yes - def. for issues etc. 17:38 < lirakis>| and i think that SHOULD be linked from the site 17:38 < lirakis>| etc. 17:39 <@ bogdan_vs>| IMHO, GH should keep devel related tools only...not more than that 17:39 < BernardB>| :) 17:39 < lirakis>| yeah - i think the "issues" stuff should be ... source code 17:39 < lirakis>| not like "how does load balancer work" 17:39 < brettnem>| Right 17:39 <@ bogdan_vs>| well, it is ....it is promoted and used for code issues only 17:40 < lirakis>| right 17:40 < lirakis>| thats all i meant 17:40 < brettnem>| Questions like that should be on the wiki. We answer a lot of questions like that on the list and really a lot of those answers would be good to record on wiki 17:40 < brettnem>| Not sure what a good workflow for that would be 17:41 <@ bogdan_vs>| the idea is good - the most asked questions to end up documented (answered) on wiki 17:41 < lirakis>| brettnem, i think questions like that shoudl be on the list ... but common questions get documented 17:41 < saghul>| as an FAQ? 17:42 <@ bogdan_vs>| we have the FAQ section even now, but not actively maintained 17:42 < lirakis>| nah .. just as tutorials or whatever 17:42 < brettnem>| Yeah but it's easy for even common q's to just easily answered in the list instead of hard copied into a FAQ 17:42 <@ bogdan_vs>| http://www.opensips.org/Documentation/TipsFAQ 17:42 < lirakis>| common use casses 17:42 < lirakis>| more than just FAQ 17:43 <@ bogdan_vs>| I guess it is not so obvious to users that they actually can post on that page too 17:44 <@ bogdan_vs>| but, (coming from a person answering to questions), yes, a better FAQ should simplify and reduce the work 17:45 < razvanc>| I agree, answering emails should be more like pointing to the right resources 17:46 <@ bogdan_vs>| maybe a way to encourage people to search the ML archives 17:46 < lirakis>| i need to sort out my mailing list subs 17:46 < lirakis>| i cant figure out which email account i sub'd on 17:46 < lirakis>| and now i cant respond from my current email client setup lol 17:47 <@ bogdan_vs>| lirakis: give me some options and I can check it for you ;) 17:47 < lirakis>| heh ok 17:47 < lirakis>| ill pm 17:47 < brettnem>| I think people have been pretty hesitant to post on those pages 17:48 < lirakis>| brettnem, i had no idea i could contribute to the website at all 17:48 < lirakis>| so i think making a seperate "wiki" will help with that 17:48 < brettnem>| I think those of us answering questions probably need to step up and immortalize them on a FAQ 17:48 < liviuc>| opensips.org just doesn't feel like a playground site - maybe that's the reason 17:48 < lirakis>| yeah ^ 17:48 < brettnem>| I tend to agree 17:48 < liviuc>| as soon as you're on wiki.xxxxx, you feel you can contribute 17:48 < brettnem>| I wouldn't mind contributing to FAQ 17:49 < brettnem>| Like as stuff comes up. I've been a bit MIA lately but I'd love to help 17:49 < brettnem>| A FAQ engine that allowed questions to be asked would be neat 17:49 < brettnem>| Like How Amazon lets you ask questions 17:50 < brettnem>| And then community members can submit multiple answers. I guess like stack exchange 17:50 < brettnem>| But.. I don't want to necessarily split the effort of the mailing list 17:50 < brettnem>| Not sure what the right balance is 17:51 < lirakis>| i think the wiki is a great idea - its not "duplicated work" IMO 17:51 <@ bogdan_vs>| or like stackoverflow ? 17:51 <@ bogdan_vs>| (but that's more like a forum) 17:51 < lirakis>| its documented - so that on the mailing list ... you can answer a question and say "yes you can do XYZ here is a tutorial wiki.opensips.org/xyz" 17:51 < razvanc>| I think that's what http://www.discourse.org/ is 17:51 < liviuc>| statistically speaking, there are very few opensips questions on stackoverflow 17:51 < brettnem>| Yeah like stackoverflow 17:52 < liviuc>| like 3 / month :) 17:52 < lirakis>| i think thats too much like a forum 17:52 < lirakis>| and that would be duplicated work 17:52 < razvanc>| yes 17:52 < brettnem>| Yeah.. Hrm 17:52 <@ bogdan_vs>| fair 17:52 < lirakis>| i think wiki + mailing list is good IMO 17:52 < razvanc>| it's not actually duplicated work, it's just split :) 17:52 < lirakis>| like i said in my example 17:53 < lirakis>| true ... its fragmented 17:53 < brettnem>| Searching list for answers is a mess tho. Especially for newbies 17:53 < lirakis>| yes - so they can check out wiki.opensips.org 17:53 < razvanc>| I totally agree that the ML archive is hard to search into 17:53 < lirakis>| most supernubes probably arent on the mailing lists at all 17:53 < liviuc>| +1 ... 17:53 < razvanc>| but I don't think a forum like mechanism will improve this at all 17:54 < brettnem>| Well I'd be happy to step up and help contribute to a FAQ as questions come up 17:54 < brettnem>| I don't really like a forum 17:54 < lirakis>| i would also be happy to contribute to a wiki 17:54 < brettnem>| But I like being able to submit questions 17:55 < brettnem>| Maybe submitted questions can be approved answered and added to FAQ shrug 17:55 <@ bogdan_vs>| maybe integrating in a better and more visible way the ML archive 17:55 <@ bogdan_vs>| with a built in search 17:55 < razvanc>| bogdan_vs: that would be nice to have 17:55 < brettnem>| There are lots of ML searchers tho already 17:56 <@ bogdan_vs>| I mean something more than the rudimentary web mailman offers 17:56 < razvanc>| brettnem: yes, but I was saying we should integrate that somewhere we can easily access 17:56 < lirakis>| like .. from the site? 17:56 < razvanc>| yes, both site and wiki 17:57 < lirakis>| "got questions - search our mailing list archives [____________________] " 17:57 < brettnem>| Submit question:________ 17:57 < brettnem>| Answered questions : <list> 17:57 < brettnem>| :) 17:57 < brettnem>| Maybe too much work 17:57 <@ bogdan_vs>| on the "get help" page, we can have a step by step "how to" 17:58 <@ bogdan_vs>| have a question ? 17:58 <@ bogdan_vs>| 1) check the FAQ 17:58 <@ bogdan_vs>| 2) search the ML archive 17:58 <@ bogdan_vs>| 3) ask on ML 17:58 <@ bogdan_vs>| or something like that 17:58 < brettnem>| I think it's really just going to come down to is to maintain it manually 17:59 < brettnem>| Because no one else is asking questions outside of ML as evidenced by stackoverflow 17:59 < brettnem>| Q's will continue to arrive raw on the list 17:59 < Binan1>| what about something like "OpenSIPS" magazine which can be published periodically and contains good quality articles, use cases, news,..... 18:00 <@ bogdan_vs>| well, in some case you will have to give the RTFM or RTFL 18:00 < brettnem>| Opensips magazine 18:00 <@ bogdan_vs>| hmm interesting.... 18:00 <@ bogdan_vs>| maybe something like that can be integrated into the blog ? 18:00 < brettnem>| We could just be like the asterisk guys and abuse people who actually have the nerve to ask questions 18:00 < brettnem>| I kid ... I kid 18:01 <@ bogdan_vs>| Binan1: several people may post on the blog, so it may be like articles 18:02 < lirakis>| Binan1, you have the funding for such a thing - if so, id be happy to be considered for chief editor 18:02 < lirakis>| :P 18:02 < liviuc>| I think a good main site front page (with news) + news mailing list are enough for someone who wants to stay updated with the project 18:03 < lirakis>| well that and github + hooks 18:03 < lirakis>| i find that is actually a great way to keep informed personally 18:03 < lirakis>| seeing new commits etc. 18:03 < liviuc>| true, good one 18:03 < liviuc>| also, we could have the "News" section be auto-updated with every new blog post -> more blog awareness 18:04 < lirakis>| well we are rolling around to 1 hour here 18:04 < lirakis>| any closing thoughts wrap up bogdan_vs etc.? 18:04 <@ bogdan_vs>| yes, time too 18:05 <@ bogdan_vs>| yes, time to 18:05 < razvanc>| I wrote down the ideas we discussed today here 18:05 <@ bogdan_vs>| I think it was a productive discussion, thanks to the input from you all 18:05 < razvanc>| http://www.opensips.org/Community/IRCmeeting20150128 18:05 < lirakis>| ok great - thanks again for organizing the public meetings 18:05 < brettnem>| Thanks guys :) 18:06 < razvanc>| thank you all for attending 18:06 <@ bogdan_vs>| we will try to do a summary and some plan out of this discussion 18:06 <@ bogdan_vs>| Thanks you all !! @] January 28, 2015, at 06:06 PM
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# Docs, tutorial and other usefull stuff pulled out from opensips.org and moved in a wiki (wiki.opensips.org). Mediawiki is a good idea with a MarkDown plugin # Use a unified login system for all resources (most likely [[https://developer.github.com/v3/oauth/|GitHub OAuth]]) # Add a new blog engine (blog.opensips.org) # Adding a forum will split the information in two, so it is not worth it. # We need a method to search within the mailing list archives # Add a "Get Help" page with a setp by step "how to" January 23, 2015, at 05:25 PM
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'''Organize OpenSIPS Resources''' In the near future we are planning to release some extra resources that the community can use to improve the project's experience: # Blog: a new blog where we will write about different challenges we faced and how/whether we found a solution. # Wiki: a wiki-based platform where you all can add different ideas, tutorials and other interesting resources for the community. During this public meeting we are planning to discuss about how to integrate all our resources (repo, site, wiki, blog) in a unified manner. The goal is for anyone in the community to have easy and straight-forward access to all project's resources, through a single identifier. January 23, 2015, at 03:54 PM
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!!!!! Community -> [[Community/PublicMeetings | PublicMeetings]] -> 28th of January 2015 ---- !!!! When * Wednesday, 28th of January 2015, at 17:00 EET (link [[http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenSIPS+Public+Meeting&iso=20150128T17&p1=49&ah=1|here]]) * IRC, #opensips channel on [[http://freenode.net|Freennode]] !!!! Topics '''Simplify OpenSIPS Experience''' ---- !!!! Conclusions TODO ---- !!!! IRC Logs TODO |
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